The Kronic
10:12 Tue Jul 24
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Israel needs fucking nking.
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mallard
9:59 Tue Jul 24
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Touched a nerve did I 13 ??
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13 Brentford Rd
9:11 Tue Jul 24
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Fuck of Dullard, I mean Mallard, you are talking out if your arse.
And Comma etc. I have criticised Israel many times on here for being too right wing or extreme, but also defend its right to exist and understand (unlike most) why it takes the stance it does even though I might not like it.
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Willtell
8:47 Tue Jul 24
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Comma
Do you mean Brenty is a bit like your constant defence to any criticism of Liberals...?
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6:09 Mon Jul 23
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Brentford, is there anything, which in your opinion, Israel does that is wrong?
And do you get a free pass saying it and being Jewish whereas if a goy mentions it it is called being anti semitic?
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Darby_
6:04 Mon Jul 23
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You sound massively camp when you say ‘Ohhh’, Surfy.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that of course. Just a heads up.
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mallard
2:00 Mon Jul 23
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Ban the GRASS
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
1:53 Mon Jul 23
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Sven Roeder 1:32 Mon Jul 23
'The Tories get around the problem by supporting Israel wholeheartedly.
As they are the ones with money'
I'll assume you are on a wind-up, since that is obviously anti-Semitism under several of the examples given below.
No wonder Labour don't want to use the examples.
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13 Brentford Rd
1:48 Mon Jul 23
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No it's not anti semitic to criticise Israel or support Palestinians.
In fact Israel is constantly criticised externally and internally.
There are Palestinians and Arabs in the Israeli government, army, Air force etc..and many are citizens, over 20% of Israelis are Arabs.
Labour clearly has an agenda here and wants to adopt it's own definitions instead of internationally recognised ones. Why is Labour so special? Can you imagine any other race or religion being told by the Labour Party or anyone else what is offensive to them and what isn't?
There would be uproar, accusations of racism, vigils and demos.
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Sven Roeder
1:32 Mon Jul 23
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Labour are anti-Semitic in that they support Palestine in their struggle with Israel.
And Israel regard anything but full support as anti semitism
The Tories get around the problem by supporting Israel wholeheartedly.
As they are the ones with money
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Gavros
1:15 Mon Jul 23
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To guide IHRA in its work, the following examples may serve as illustrations:
Manifestations might include the targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity. However, criticism of Israel similar to that leveled against any other country cannot be regarded as antisemitic. Antisemitism frequently charges Jews with conspiring to harm humanity, and it is often used to blame Jews for “why things go wrong.” It is expressed in speech, writing, visual forms and action, and employs sinister stereotypes and negative character traits.
Contemporary examples of antisemitism in public life, the media, schools, the workplace, and in the religious sphere could, taking into account the overall context, include, but are not limited to:
Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.
Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.
Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.
Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).
Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.
Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.
Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.
Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.
Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.
Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.
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Gavros
1:14 Mon Jul 23
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IHRA definition
“Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.”
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
1:14 Mon Jul 23
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eusebiovic 1:11 Mon Jul 23
'Does the international definition mean that nobody is allowed to criticize the Israeli Government regardless of their actions?'
That would be crazy, if true.
Which part of it leads you to believe that to be the case?
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Gavros
1:12 Mon Jul 23
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collyrob 1:10 Mon Jul 23
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Lock this and ban this attention seeking sex offender.
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eusebiovic
1:11 Mon Jul 23
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I'm confused...
Does the international definition mean that nobody is allowed to criticize the Israeli Government regardless of their actions?
Is this the crux of the problem?
ie: Trying to distinguish that it is O.K to be critical without being accused of anti-semitism
Because with the way things stand - that way lies madness
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collyrob
1:10 Mon Jul 23
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Lock this and ban this attention seeking sex offender.
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On The Ball
1:08 Mon Jul 23
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We could just Eddie B a few dozen pages of one of the other threads to save some time.
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Literal Paul
1:07 Mon Jul 23
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this really didn't need another thread on this forum
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Gavros
1:06 Mon Jul 23
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Lock this shit.
FWIW Brenty I agree that labour are a bunch of cunts on this issue.
That said given recent developments....
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Far Cough
1:05 Mon Jul 23
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Don't we have enough fucking political threads?
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El Scorchio
1:04 Mon Jul 23
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Is it really sensible opening this can of worms again, in light of recent incidents involving the site being taken down?
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